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the fiscal cliff is bad, but not irretrievable. you can go into january and still put the pieces back together. as you know, defaulting on the debt is irretrievable thing. that's the economic equivalent of a nuclear weapon. that is a big dynamite compared to the fiscal cliff crew having said that, as they get to the year end, i think they'll say we'll vote to extend middle class tax cuts. our leverage is greater because it's the nuclear bomb so they can increase their leverage as they move toward a vote. we may end up into january early february negotiating again about a debt ceilingle. >> that would be very hazardous. an economic nuclear deterrent is only effective if you're ready to set it off. i'm not saying there aren't tea party republicans that would be willing to tank the economy on this, but i think republicans really hand if they think they're going to get a lot of leverage out of this debt ceiling. they may think that. but people remember that episode more than a year ago and it really backfired. it backfired. so you'd ha
the fiscal cliff is bad, but not irretrievable. you can go into january and still put the pieces back together. as you know, defaulting on the debt is irretrievable thing. that's the economic equivalent of a nuclear weapon. that is a big dynamite compared to the fiscal cliff crew having said that, as they get to the year end, i think they'll say we'll vote to extend middle class tax cuts. our leverage is greater because it's the nuclear bomb so they can increase their leverage as they move...
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david, i want to drill down on even over this past weekend we heard the fiscal cliff is a cliff. no parachute. bad things happen if we go over it. i have never been persuaded of that. the payroll tax is likely to go up either way. the taxes in the healthcare bill will kickback in no matter what. sequestration could be remedied. is it in your view a slope, a cliff, what is the metaphor, and is there hysteria attached to this that is excessive? >> cliff is a problematic metaphor because it is not like the debt ceiling. it's not even like the government shutdown. you don't necessarily have an enormous market reaction. this is not like the country defaulting on its debt. but it's serious for two reasons. we don't know what the reaction could be. there it is a chance that it could spook the markets. the second thing, the combine pieces of this passage is a combined 4% of the gdp. if they went into affect and remained in affect not just for a couple of weeks but for the full year it's hard to see how the economy avoids a recession next year. it's not guaranteed but it's more than enoug
david, i want to drill down on even over this past weekend we heard the fiscal cliff is a cliff. no parachute. bad things happen if we go over it. i have never been persuaded of that. the payroll tax is likely to go up either way. the taxes in the healthcare bill will kickback in no matter what. sequestration could be remedied. is it in your view a slope, a cliff, what is the metaphor, and is there hysteria attached to this that is excessive? >> cliff is a problematic metaphor because it...
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. >> coming up, america's lopsided tax code. more and more economists are starting to admit the real problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cc >> with all the hysteria over the fiscal cliffs, there was euphoria when john boehner puts fort a proposal. his proposal fails every test. let's not forget, the deficit isn't the biggest problem. it's the lack of demand and equity in our distribution of income, two little data points we shouldn't forget. 93% of the in jump added in the 2010 went to the top 1% and wages are the lowest they've ever been. it's simply not fair. for ideas to solve the problems and the deficit at the same time, bob rob an and larry summers suggested some away raise capital gains taxes. lets stop giving capital preferences over earned income. it's only fair and right. it won't solve the problem but will go a long way. back to john boehner. he doesn't say anything about this, because he refuses to raise rates. it can only be because he refuses to see the real problem. joining me now c
. >> coming up, america's lopsided tax code. more and more economists are starting to admit the real problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cc >> with all the hysteria over the fiscal cliffs, there was euphoria when john boehner puts fort a proposal. his proposal fails every test....
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house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want to you lead, not as a liberal or conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want to you succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has alluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do the right thing together for our country. >> cenk: now look, i'll tell i couldn't this pisses me off. lindsey graham says the same thing. this is not time to be liberal. conservatives say time to be conservatives. we've got a mandate. but not time to be liberal time to be bipartisan. you play small ball. you're not a man. a man agrees with us? why, a man kicks your
house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as...
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the latest going on in the fiscal cliff saga is congresswoman jackie speier. welcome. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: rather than saying yes we'll agree to some agree to some marginal rates to the wealthy, they want to make permanent the tax cuts to the wealthy. what's going on in the head of john boehner. >> i'm not sure it's the head of john boehner but the heads of the tea party members who did not read the results of the last election. it's important to realize that the bipartisan bill by republicans and democrats in the senate were passed extending the tax cuts for those making under $250,000, and fixes the amg which we have not spent much time talking about. that expired december 31st of last year. unless we fix that this year there will be a rude awakening for about 60 million middle class families who all of a sudden will see themselves paying more in taxes. so there is no--there is no reason for this high drama that we're going through right now. >> eliot: that's exactly right. now one has to differentiate between what is public an
the latest going on in the fiscal cliff saga is congresswoman jackie speier. welcome. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: rather than saying yes we'll agree to some agree to some marginal rates to the wealthy, they want to make permanent the tax cuts to the wealthy. what's going on in the head of john boehner. >> i'm not sure it's the head of john boehner but the heads of the tea party members who did not read the results of the last election. it's important to...
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treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think they're going to wait for the debt ceiling crisis that they're going to create with their leverage. but it seems to me that they have more incentive to blame the democrats for rising taxes on everybody, and then come back and pass that middle class tax cut. i think we're going to see the sun setting of the bush tax cuts. i just don't see how the tea partyers essentially can do a preemptive basically pre- preemptive before the taxes go back up. >> eliot: charles, do you agree with sam? once the tax cuts have expired maybe they pass the tax cut for 98% but then use their
treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think...
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taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending on them is overtly far beyond its necessity. >> stephanie: it is more than the military asks for. congress is trying to give them more. >> to do what with? it is not like they're not ahead technologically from -- on every front. >> but we need to be able to blow up the world 150 times not 147. >> stephanie: otherwise we're french and gay. ron in illinois, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi ron. >> caller: good morning, steph. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: i don't understand why john boehner think -- unless he's
taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending...
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fiscal cliff let's take the plunge in the l.a. times. he said the u.s. deficit and debt will fall, social security will go on unharmed and we'll go back to tax rates that were better than the current ones. what do you think? >> i certainly don't want something that will put us into a recession. that's more republican thinking. but i think ultimately pugh has a pole saying 53% of the american people will blame republicans, to which i can only imagine republicans saying, oh we're finally ahead in a poll. boner is like a slug there is a bright orange trail of cheat toe dust and bronzer leading from his office. >> stephanie: okay. here you go. >> so many people are going to part-time work and being hurt. everyone i know is already seeing cutbacks, and the economy is going to be disastrous and only going to get worse under obama. >> stephanie: by the way that was dexter von frisch? >> it was. >> stephanie: he just screams at ann coulters voice? >> it's like an earthquake he just screams before it happens. >> stephanie: kids carbonite backs up everything for y
fiscal cliff let's take the plunge in the l.a. times. he said the u.s. deficit and debt will fall, social security will go on unharmed and we'll go back to tax rates that were better than the current ones. what do you think? >> i certainly don't want something that will put us into a recession. that's more republican thinking. but i think ultimately pugh has a pole saying 53% of the american people will blame republicans, to which i can only imagine republicans saying, oh we're finally...
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poll obama has a mandate to raise taxes. and fiscal cliff talks appear stalled. almost two-thirds of americans say the election results give president obama a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy. and 64% say obama has a mandate to protect entitlement programs like social security and medicaid. >> and it's not raising taxes on them, it's letting the old tax cuts expire as they were supposed to do two years ago. >> thank you. >> stephanie: good morning, congress woman judy chu. >> good morning. >> stephanie: thanks for take time with us. >> it's great to be with you. >> stephanie: i'm sure you are looking at the same polls i am the vast majority of americans agree with him exactly on these issues, right? >> exactly. in fact it is really upside down. the people who lost the election are protecting the top 2% the people who won the election are fighting to protect the tax rate of 98% of americans. >> stephanie: thank you. i thought i read this wrong this morning. i don't think john boehner understands what compromise means. the president reduced the income from $12
poll obama has a mandate to raise taxes. and fiscal cliff talks appear stalled. almost two-thirds of americans say the election results give president obama a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy. and 64% say obama has a mandate to protect entitlement programs like social security and medicaid. >> and it's not raising taxes on them, it's letting the old tax cuts expire as they were supposed to do two years ago. >> thank you. >> stephanie: good morning, congress woman judy...
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the president on the fiscal cliff yesterday. >> obama: we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> stephanie: it's everybody. >> even the rich. >> stephanie: even your favorite top 1 percenters. >> good heaven's that lunch money. >> that's the electricity bill for mitt romney's car elevator. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: they held more negotiations yesterday, but neither side showed a willingness to give ground. the president said we make tough spending cuts on things we don't need, and we ask the wealthiest americans to pay their part. it's almost like a movie you don't need to pay attention to yet. >> yeah or i'll read the synopsis online. >> stephanie: i'll get the cliff notes. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: the white house spokesman said i can only believe the president will find something acceptable. what stage are they at after the election bargaining depression where are they? we need to let them get through that first. it always come
the president on the fiscal cliff yesterday. >> obama: we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> stephanie: it's everybody. >> even the rich. >> stephanie: even your favorite top 1 percenters. >> good heaven's that lunch money. >> that's the electricity bill for mitt romney's car elevator. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie:...
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president obama is begin talking his fiscal cliff plans today. he will be on a conference call from the white house with a bi-partisan group of mayors and community leaders. the group will focus on how to prevent taxes from going up from middle class americans along with finding ways to grow the economy and reduce the deficit. turning to syria this morning, president obama is now stepping up pressure on bashar asaad with his official recognition of syria's opposition group. here with an interview with barbara walters. >> we have made a decision that the syrian opposition coalition is inclusive enough is reflective and representative enough of the syrian population that we consider them the legitimate representative of the syrian people in opposition to the outside regime. >> again, that's come from an exclusive interview yesterday with abc's barn with a walters. u.s. security officials are monitoring syria in case asad will use chemical weapons against his own people. other world leaders are expected to recognize the opposition. they say they wil
president obama is begin talking his fiscal cliff plans today. he will be on a conference call from the white house with a bi-partisan group of mayors and community leaders. the group will focus on how to prevent taxes from going up from middle class americans along with finding ways to grow the economy and reduce the deficit. turning to syria this morning, president obama is now stepping up pressure on bashar asaad with his official recognition of syria's opposition group. here with an...
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the white house is absolutely ready to go over the fiscal cliff this january. that's the word from treasury secretary timothy geithner who appeared yesterday in an interview with cnbc. taxes are still the major impact and geithner says there is no path to an agreement that does not involve a tax hike on the wealthiest 2%. even some members of the g.o.p. are encouraging lawmakers to support the tax hikes in exchange for a broader deal on health and retirement programs. mainly republicans want to see an increase in the medicare eligibility age as well as a smaller amount of inflation applied to social security. the longer speaker boehner waits on a compromise, less bargaining power he will have. many say now is the time to give in on taxes. it is a big day in washington state for same-sex couples who will be able to pick up their wedding certificates today. voters in washington, maine and maryland approved same-sex marriage on the ballot in november. and yesterday, governor chris gregoire signed that into law calling this the last step for marriage equality in th
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. >> my shell will protect me if i fall off the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: nothing he said there was true. he doesn't want to raise taxes on everyone else. he wants to lower them on 98%. >> he wants the tax rate to go back to where it was. >> exactly. >> every line of that was a lie. >> stephanie: the president. >> obama: i'm encouraged to see there has been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i indicated the only way to get the kind of revenue for an balanced plan is to make sure we are moderately increasing rates for folks who can afford it. folks like me. >> stephanie: do you think behind closed doors, jim, he is like all right. i have to say this again? fine. >> a way of saying it without swearing. >> stephanie: yeah. jenny in go to meeting. hi jenny. >> caller: hi sweety. first of all because i watch you on current, i would like to say one thing, please read your hat to us at the beginning of the show. and also explain the t-shirt, because i can't read it for nothing. >> stephanie: okay. >> and it has been two days. what d
. >> my shell will protect me if i fall off the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: nothing he said there was true. he doesn't want to raise taxes on everyone else. he wants to lower them on 98%. >> he wants the tax rate to go back to where it was. >> exactly. >> every line of that was a lie. >> stephanie: the president. >> obama: i'm encouraged to see there has been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i...
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>> a new poll put out by nbc "wall street journal" on the fiscal cliff how americans want to see this resolved. 65% say -- >> bill: they want a deal. >> congressional leaders should make a compromise and make a deal which includes higher tax rates for wealthier americans and cuts to entitlement programs the people have spoken. make it happen. >> bill: you know what, on the higher tax rates, what gets me is so john boehner and the republican leadership are fighting for the 2%, right and they don't care about the 98%. this poll proves it. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things everyday exploding around the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. i want our viewer to understand why things have happened. at the end of the show, you know what has happened, why its happened and more importantly, what'
>> a new poll put out by nbc "wall street journal" on the fiscal cliff how americans want to see this resolved. 65% say -- >> bill: they want a deal. >> congressional leaders should make a compromise and make a deal which includes higher tax rates for wealthier americans and cuts to entitlement programs the people have spoken. make it happen. >> bill: you know what, on the higher tax rates, what gets me is so john boehner and the republican leadership are...
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>> we should all jump off the fiscal cliff. you and the lemmings. >> if republicans accept tax debts, that will be worse than obama's re-election. spiraling of this sort of drone suicide. >> stephanie: somebody building a thesaurus for apocalyptic -- >> back to bill crystal saying the world is unraveling on obama's watch. here it is. election day was mass suicide. this is such a tiny fraction of the population. views politics and obama -- that way now. the only weird part is they've got cameras pointed at them that's on television. they've got a platform. so they -- you know, again they're such a radical minority. this notion that everyone, you know, thinks obama's re-election was a disaster. or was a suicide. >> trying to put on the black -- and cut off your junk. >> wow. that's a 1996 reference. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but it is true. if the parallel universe continues. in the real world, we had a great new employment reporter on friday and monica crowley's world, it is just, you know, death and destruction. and dogs and c
>> we should all jump off the fiscal cliff. you and the lemmings. >> if republicans accept tax debts, that will be worse than obama's re-election. spiraling of this sort of drone suicide. >> stephanie: somebody building a thesaurus for apocalyptic -- >> back to bill crystal saying the world is unraveling on obama's watch. here it is. election day was mass suicide. this is such a tiny fraction of the population. views politics and obama -- that way now. the only weird...
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fiscal cliff negotiations underway here in washington, d.c. continuing and washington state and colorado celebrating the freedom to smoke pot legally. all of that coming up plus yesterday jim demint from south carolina announced he is resigning from the senate to take over as head of the heritage foundation. >> that's good news for the senate. get rid of that whacko tea partyer but bad news for the heritage foundation, which will now have a reputation as the most extreme of all of of our think tanks welt tell you ideal he is leaving and more. current news update, standing buy in los angeles lease a ferguson. hi, lease a. good morning. >> hey, bi. good morning, everyone. we are awaiting the jobs report this morning out in the next and we are expecting to hear 80,000 jobs created last month. >> that's less than half the jobs we saw in october, but economists are saying don't put too much weight on those numbers. the down turn in growth is likely thanks to hurricane sandy making it near impossible to tell whether hiring is getting better or worse
fiscal cliff negotiations underway here in washington, d.c. continuing and washington state and colorado celebrating the freedom to smoke pot legally. all of that coming up plus yesterday jim demint from south carolina announced he is resigning from the senate to take over as head of the heritage foundation. >> that's good news for the senate. get rid of that whacko tea partyer but bad news for the heritage foundation, which will now have a reputation as the most extreme of all of of our...
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cliff. the group is urging congress to take immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's re-election. as you heard, taxes are the big issue blocking this deal from taking place. president obama is calling for downhill the amount of tax revenue as speaker boehner over the next tens years, most from the nation's top earners. many. republicans say that's not the way to handle this. here is marco rubio. >> it wouldn'ting make a small bent in the debt but it would heard middle class businesses. >> the g.o.p. could be risking a civil war over this issue. it does not look like obama is ready to cave. if that
cliff. the group is urging congress to take immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's...
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fiscal cliff counteroffer. he says that republicans can't negotiate with themselves however the president has been very clear very publicly that the g.o.p. plan is definitely a no-go as is. crossroads gps part of the karl rove funded group of campaign super pacs is spending half a million dollars on a new ad campaign to push for a fiscal cliff deal that includes more spending cuts and fewer higher taxes. >> so far he says more taxes. >> the truth is the white house deal did propose some $600 billion in healthcare and spending cuts. finally, secretary of state ken says he will investigate the state's voting problems. the republican in florida told the state ethics and elections committee he will dispatch a special team to investigate the five florida counties that had especially-long lines. right after it he defended florida's voting mess saying he had no regrets. wewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewe on to me now? you know the the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those t
fiscal cliff counteroffer. he says that republicans can't negotiate with themselves however the president has been very clear very publicly that the g.o.p. plan is definitely a no-go as is. crossroads gps part of the karl rove funded group of campaign super pacs is spending half a million dollars on a new ad campaign to push for a fiscal cliff deal that includes more spending cuts and fewer higher taxes. >> so far he says more taxes. >> the truth is the white house deal did propose...
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the more the likelihood we get a fiscal cliff agreement at some point. there's still obviously the chance we go off the cliff. i think that's pretty unlikely to come to some arrangement on the tax increases. offset by entitlement reforms. the big question is what would democrats agree to and can the president bring them all along? he had that conversation with harry reid from air force i yesterday, i believe. which is significant in the sense that if we believe he's now trying to craft some sort of compromise deal, the democrats will accept, that we'll have some changes to social security and medicare that won't cause a full revolt in the democratic party. that's the big question. >> bill: first of all on the tax rate, do you think the president -- first will republicans accept any increase in the tack rate for the top 2%? and will the president accept anything less than 39.6%? >> i think on the first question, the answer is probably yes. i think john boehner has difficult task in selling that to his caucus and increasing the top rate. i think at the end
the more the likelihood we get a fiscal cliff agreement at some point. there's still obviously the chance we go off the cliff. i think that's pretty unlikely to come to some arrangement on the tax increases. offset by entitlement reforms. the big question is what would democrats agree to and can the president bring them all along? he had that conversation with harry reid from air force i yesterday, i believe. which is significant in the sense that if we believe he's now trying to craft some...